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Post by someguy on May 29, 2007 15:30:34 GMT -5
Oh, I suppose I could spend a little time searching for links that would demonstrate how every time in the last 30 years any company that has proposed building a new refinery somewhere have been met by the eco-weenies and the “NIMBY” folks mobilizing and using the existing environmental regulations that favor them to throw up a roadblock after roadblock. I could spend that time if I really gave a shit about what you think. But I don’t. So I won’t. In the meantime, I’ll just continue to watch my Exxon stock, which I’ve owned and regularly re-invested in since, oh, about, 1983, continue to rise and thank the Eco-tards for helping with my early retirement. finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=xom&t=myOh, and in addition to ANWAR, we can’t drill off the coast of California either. Ted Danson and Barbra Streisand won’t let us.
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Post by heyfolks on May 29, 2007 19:48:15 GMT -5
restricting refining capacity in the USA?! WHO? WHERE? Please post a link showing when the US last built a refinery. Please post where the US actually built a nuke plant. the same liberal, tree hugging, caribu banging pot heads who run around burning down condo complexes and defacing SUVs also protest the building of new refineries and the development of nuclear. This causes higher gas prices and more pollution.
It is like going organic. it costs more, takes more land, and causes more damage than controlled growth. Extremists, left or righ are the prolbem but the moderates are also apathetic so these 2 nut infested whacked out groups go from fringe players to the spot light. most americans are playing their fiddles while the cuontry swirls down the shitter.
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Post by someguy on May 30, 2007 6:42:09 GMT -5
No new refinery has been built since 1976. Arizona Clean Fuels has been trying to build a small one outside of Yuma since the mid-90s. It took them five years just to get the clean air permits. They hope to be on-line by 2010. For those keeping score at home, that'll be fifteen years and who knows how millions of dollars invested fighting the Ecos and NIMBY folks. Here’s another way the green-weenies have caused problems in the gasoline supply and distribution system: Remember when gasoline was just gasoline? Just a few blends were all that was needed to be produced. Now, because of the environmentalists, some states and municipalities have mandated that only special blends be sold in their domain. The refineries have had to adjust to those mandates, producing, if I remember correctly, about 18 different blends of gasoline now. It hamstrings not only the production but also supply and distribution system, which can lead to price spikes in certain areas from time-to-time. ETA: Whomp, there it is... www.nacsonline.com/images/pr_toolkit/prtkboutique_lg.gif
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Post by redwinghockeyfan on May 30, 2007 8:26:39 GMT -5
I'm sure his heart is in the right place but this doesn't really help the demand problem. If the motorists need gas they aren't going to shut their cars off and walk the rest of the way since this guys station is closed. they are going to drive to the next station. Maria McClory, 38, drove 10 miles out of her way to buy a diet soda from Pollack's station after seeing local television coverage of the protest. Just brilliant, wasted 20 miles worth of gas, she was probably in an SUV too.
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Post by toledowingsfan on May 30, 2007 9:41:21 GMT -5
restricting refining capacity in the USA?! WHO? WHERE? Please post a link showing when the US last built a refinery. Please post where the US actually built a nuke plant. the same liberal, tree hugging, caribu banging pot heads who run around burning down condo complexes and defacing SUVs also protest the building of new refineries and the development of nuclear. This causes higher gas prices and more pollution. It is like going organic. it costs more, takes more land, and causes more damage than controlled growth. Extremists, left or righ are the prolbem but the moderates are also apathetic so these 2 nut infested whacked out groups go from fringe players to the spot light. most americans are playing their fiddles while the cuontry swirls down the shitter. You better watch yourself or you'll get kicked right out of California.
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Post by slowhandfan on May 30, 2007 11:16:28 GMT -5
For what is is worth, China is not drinking gas and becoming as oil dependent as we are
Since there is over 1 billion of them, I think it would not be a stretch to suggest that overall demand is way higher globally than it was 15 years ago...
I mean we are talking about a population that has a long proud history of placing a demand on something so severe that it's extinction is all but assured in a few short years
I mean Rhino's are virtually gone, and the reason is because the horn is a highly sought after aphrodeziac in South East Asia
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Post by scottybowman on May 30, 2007 11:53:17 GMT -5
Right, it's the oil companies' flat-out refusal to build new refineries so that they can maintain their self-induced supply shortage, thereby driving up prices and, ergo, their profits. It has nothing to do with the stranglehold the eco-weenies put on any plans to increase refining capacity, nor does it have anything to do with the Dems flat-out refusal to open ANWAR to drilling...because some caribou might be displaced. U.S. OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST!! NO BLOOD FOR OIL!! Oh, and… NO HOMELESS CARIBOU FOR OIL EITHER!! Friggin’ Leftards ANWAR is a drop in the bucket when compared to yearly oil demands of the US. In terms of affecting current oil prices, supposing there was no oposition and it was thrown wide open, there would not be appreciable impact on domestic production for years and years. Aside from that, in ECON 101 a person learns that to increase profits you either increase demand or decrease supply. The oil companies are turning in record profits every quarter. New oil refineries are not being built. The greens dont have the kind of clout that could block ALL possible refining construction IN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES. Its not an entirely unlikely scenario that the oil companies would engineer a de-facto constriction of supply at a vulnerable choke-point. I guess if you choose to believe in the goodness and honesty of the oil companies, that's your choice. It must be nice to feel that they're on your side. But, all things considered, you're not in this for an exchange of ideas, are you. This red/blue left/right thing is just about played out. You're really just in it for the argument. Of course he is. Someguy aka someclown is a tool. Everything to him revolves around Republican/Democrat. Every morning he gets his talking points email and then he pollutes a red wings "sports discussion" board with crap. Its obvious that he doesn't have much of an education.
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Post by scottybowman on May 30, 2007 12:04:29 GMT -5
You actually believe that gas prices are increasing due to supply issues? LOL They are constricting supply by controlling refining capacity in the US. Refining capacity is not increasing yet demand is. This contributes to higher prices. Does it really benefit oil companies to expand refineries? They are making record profits each quarter. Gas is a product that is controlled by political parties and is inelastic. If a democrat goes into the white house, the price will mysteriously drop to $2 just like it did during the elections in November.
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Post by someguy on May 30, 2007 12:48:38 GMT -5
They are making record profits each quarter. You, as the consumer, hold the ultimate power. If you don’t like the price being charged for a product or service, don’t purchase it. That’s how a market economy works, dumbass. It’s a simple solution, really, except for the millions on people in this country who -- like you and sawchuck, I’m guessing -- think driving the automobile of your choice whenever and wherever you desire and not having to think about the hit you make take to your wallet because of it is some sort of Constitutionally-provided right as an American and that Big Oil should either voluntarily subsidize such a convenience by lowering their prices to accommodate you or involuntarily have the Government do it with something along the lines of price controls. Dumbass...
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Post by someguy on May 30, 2007 13:14:04 GMT -5
Maria McClory, 38, drove 10 miles out of her way to buy a diet soda from Pollack's station after seeing local television coverage of the protest.
Great example.
I read somewhere recently that the American driver could reduce their gasoline consumption on average by17% without having to resort to car-pooling or utilizing public transportation. They were all simple things like maintaining proper air inflation in their auto’s tires, not speeding, no abrupt accelerations, analyzing their driving patterns and making common-sense adjustments like consolidating trips when running errands – things most Americans have demonstrated they are unwilling to make an effort at doing. It’s more convenient to just whine about Big Oil profits.
Like it’s Big Oil’s fault that retards won’t follow the principles of a market economy and curtail their consumption of a product when the price of said product reaches a set point for them. Just keep buying it in the same mass quantities and bitching about the price, but for chrissakes don’t change your driving habits in a way that would reduce your consumption, help lower demand (and, ergo, prices) and ease the strain on your wallet. That might actually make sense.
Retards…
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